Monday, June 23, 2008

Surrender or Fight

Ronnie Saguit: hehehehe hala wala pa man si hazel mag sugod na lang ta

loidz *: cge na kay mang hid2 pa baya ko luy-a sa akong barikos,hahaha

Arnold Tiempo: haahhahah

Arnold Tiempo: ha suka man t loidz para barikos

loidz *: pwde a luy-a oi,hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: tanan ninyong mga gadges ipaduol lang sa inyong computer

loidz *: ang suka dri way ayu..dili natural

Ronnie Saguit: naa na mo mga bible?

Arnold Tiempo: effective nu ang suka

aichen go: copy kuya

loidz *: on line ra kuya

Zwenie Aso: naa na c hazel

loidz *: on line bible

Ronnie Saguit: sigi invite nako

aichen go: ang late karon mao si????

Arnold Tiempo: unsa nga gadgets oi!! maluoy sad mo nako uy wa man mi

loidz *: notebook kay MSWors

aichen go:

loidz *: MSWord

Ronnie Saguit: wal pa lagi Zwen

Zwenie Aso: 5 min

Ronnie Saguit: asa man nag bataa nag suroy suroy

Ronnie Saguit: naa na

Ronnie Saguit: hala riot na ni kay na a na hazel

aichen go: riot jud

Arnold Tiempo: hay naku haze grabe na jud imo pamugas diha ha

'hazel mendez' has joined the conference.

Arnold Tiempo: perteng riota

'hazel mendez': ganina ramo gasugod?

'hazel mendez': hehee

Arnold Tiempo: late ka day

'hazel mendez': karon pa ko abot

Ronnie Saguit: ok zel good pm

'hazel mendez': maayong gabii sa tanan

Ronnie Saguit: itapad lang imong food

'hazel mendez': ehehee//mao lagi

Ronnie Saguit: every body must relax

Ronnie Saguit: kinsa man ang naa sa internet cafe karon?

Ronnie Saguit: ikaw chen asa man ka karo?

Arnold Tiempo: kuya ron d man uso cafe sa gawas

Ronnie Saguit: everyone sa balay ra?

Arnold Tiempo: sa pinas ra man joke!@!!@!

aichen go: ako room nga gamay titoy kuya

Ronnie Saguit: sigi sugod na ta

'hazel mendez': okies

Ronnie Saguit: letst turn to Luke 14: 25 up to last verse

Arnold Tiempo: copy

aichen go: ober

loidz *: ok

Ronnie Saguit: basa ha sa ninyo for 10 minutes

Zwenie Aso: oks

aichen go: k

Arnold Tiempo: copy

Ronnie Saguit: unya get ready with your questions

'hazel mendez': ok

Ronnie Saguit: First question what is the theme or subject of these verses?

'hazel mendez': discipleship

loidz *: being Christ disciple

Ronnie Saguit: What is a disciple?

aichen go: being a disciple of Christ

Arnold Tiempo: agree ko ana ate loids

Arnold Tiempo: follower of CHRIST

Ronnie Saguit: is it the same as being a Christian?

aichen go: yes

'hazel mendez': i believe so

loidz *: yes, for genuine Christians

Arnold Tiempo: unsa manang genuine christian?

Ronnie Saguit: good quest arnold and Nora?

loidz *: by heart not just by name,hehehe...

aichen go: authentic

Arnold Tiempo: is there any qualifications to be a genuine christians?

aichen go: heheh hala......

Arnold Tiempo: ahhaha away nani

Arnold Tiempo: hahahhahha

loidz *: no...anybody can be...

'hazel mendez': hehehee

Zwenie Aso: hehehe -

Ronnie Saguit: good question again Nold and Nor

'hazel mendez': pogi points to the Tiempos!!! hehehe

Arnold Tiempo: norah ni kuya

Ronnie Saguit: can anybidy connect this to our study last week?

loidz *: kuya correctioni pod ako answer,hehehe

Arnold Tiempo: hahahhaha

aichen go: no need nadaw t loids

Ronnie Saguit: correct loids 65 hehehehehe

loidz *: hahaha

loidz *: out na ko

Arnold Tiempo:

aichen go:

Zwenie Aso:

Zwenie Aso: suking tigpaminaw ko ron

'hazel mendez': ehehe....

Ronnie Saguit: ayaw loid kay 64 man ang passing

Zwenie Aso: over over na man ang answers sa pips

Zwenie Aso: ehehhe

aichen go: bombo radio diay karon t zwen

Zwenie Aso: secretary ug uban pa

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

loidz *: at least naay sobra peso di ka kaplete sa jeep ana dah,hahaha

Arnold Tiempo: wa na maglibug na si kuya ronnie ani,,ngano bitaw ni enter

Arnold Tiempo: wa na jud si kuya ronnie wa na nireply

Ronnie Saguit: wala ka nag libog kay libog naman daan

Arnold Tiempo:

'hazel mendez': ehee..naglibog na

Ronnie Saguit: time sa kay si edna online pud

Arnold Tiempo: ahhahah

aichen go: faeta kuya

Arnold Tiempo: okay guys..isip usa ka minyo kami ra magkasinabot ni kuya ronnie ani

Arnold Tiempo: balik ta sa topic

aichen go: unsa diay na t nors

Ronnie Saguit: ok what do we mean by ginuine christian?

Arnold Tiempo: i just want to raise back this question kuya..when can you tell na genuine siya nga christian?

Ronnie Saguit: tubaga ninyo na mga tabian

Arnold Tiempo: because i can pretend thay i am genuine but my heart is not

'hazel mendez': if u turn into a fly sa ilang wall...

Arnold Tiempo: i mean that i am a genuine christian

Arnold Tiempo: hahhaahhahha

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

aichen go: well mam nors

Zwenie Aso: i think that is a personal conviction...no other person can really tell if you are a true believer or not..that is why salvation is individual kay it is between you and God

Zwenie Aso: i think

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: good point zwen

'hazel mendez': i agree...hehehe.. (tag-agree lang ko)

Arnold Tiempo: everybody can pretend..everybody can read bibles,can go to churcg and so on

aichen go: ako tig pak pak

Zwenie Aso: kay as u said..anybody can pretend...anyone can cry crocodile tears, anyone can testify of great things that happened in a persons life...but also anybody can create stories just out of the blue...therefore i conclude....

Zwenie Aso: heheheh

Ronnie Saguit: your ate glo and my kids are here beside me and also joining the discussipns

Arnold Tiempo has left the conference.

Ronnie Saguit: ni lakaw si Nora

'hazel mendez': wala na nilakaw kuya...na-disconnect ra

loidz *: it's hard to judge because only the Lord can see what's inside or real of a person's heart...puno ra ni ka zwen...heheh

Ronnie Saguit: ok to make the story short since you and the Lord only knows

Ronnie Saguit: raise your hands those who say that "I am a ginuine Christian"

Zwenie Aso:

Zwenie Aso: hhahahahah

loidz *:

aichen go: well ako pod

loidz *: hi ate Glo..good evening

'hazel mendez': ask the Lord na lang...

Ronnie Saguit: hehehehehe

loidz *: hi JJ,JI and JD

Ronnie Saguit: so that means these verses is for us?

Ronnie Saguit: hi daw ate Loids

'hazel mendez': yes!!!

'hazel mendez': kuya please invite again arnold and nora...nakaonline na sila karon.

Ronnie Saguit: ok

Ronnie Saguit: di siya kasulod

'hazel mendez': lagi..ako na pod giinvite ganina

loidz *: welcome te Glo sa paspasay/practice ug type ni nga group,hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: sigi padayon ta, so what does it take to be a Christian or a disciple?

loidz *: our whole being...

aichen go: true follower of Christ

'hazel mendez': putting God above all the rest

loidz *: giving up ou desires at times and choose to obey Him

Zwenie Aso: whatever it takes to follow Christ....

aichen go: dying oneself

Ronnie Saguit: Jesu enumerated things that we can no be a disciple/christian

Ronnie Saguit: are these easy words?

Zwenie Aso: nope

loidz *: not at all...What does it mean to hate his father and mother,his wife and children?....

Ronnie Saguit: what does mean by Luk 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.

'hazel mendez': it's something that you have to be willing to pay at all cost

'hazel mendez': it's means loving HIm over other people in your life

Ronnie Saguit: correct zel

'hazel mendez': loving Him more than your parents, brothers sisters

Ronnie Saguit: does everyone willing to pay thes cost?

aichen go: amen

Ronnie Saguit: is it the reason why He said this? Luk 14:28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?

Luk 14:29 For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him,

Luk 14:30 saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'

loidz *: probably yes, hehehe

'hazel mendez': i some people are not willing to pay the price kay mas easy man ang ways of the dark

Ronnie Saguit: when we accept Christ have we considered these issues?

Zwenie Aso: to answer yes would be easy..its just a 3-letter word but in fact it is a difficult thing especially in a country like ours where loyalty to the family is a given..but it is not impossible....if one is quite certain of one's faith and belief...setting Christ / God as the number one priority takes a lot of will and courage...but can be done

Ronnie Saguit: amen zwen

Ronnie Saguit: di pa gihapon kasulod si Nora naunsa kaha inyang computer

'hazel mendez': nora said ni-hang na pod iyang laptop...

loidz *: clarification... the "yes" is not for this question: does everyone willing to pay the cost?...but for the next statemnt of k.ron...is it the reason why...

Ronnie Saguit: Di we consider these cost when we accept Jesus?

'hazel mendez': yes...i was touched by Job's story and his faith sa Lord

Ronnie Saguit: Ako personally wala

aichen go: yes... being understood that Christ is our all in all

loidz *: i think case to case basis

loidz *: because when I receive the Lord i dnt knw yet what it takes

'hazel mendez': yah...

Ronnie Saguit: ako pod Loidz

loidz *: but as I get to knw Him...little by little i realized it

'hazel mendez': and i think what may be easy for us may not appear so for others

Yassi Aso has joined the conference.

Ronnie Saguit: hello yas

Zwenie Aso has joined the conference.

Ronnie Saguit: yasmin joined us

'hazel mendez': zwennnn...u there?

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

Zwenie Aso: nasulod na

Zwenie Aso: wak wak to ganina

loidz *: sila nora wa na gyud?

aichen go:

loidz *: on line na man sila

aichen go: nanihapon pa si mam nors

'hazel mendez': hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: please any one call her ipashot down usa kay di daw siya kareceive uf message

Ronnie Saguit: wala koy mic

Ronnie Saguit: si yassi girl walay tingog tingog

aichen go: yassi girl tingog daw!

Zwenie Aso: nabusy pa

Ronnie Saguit: naa pa guro kaestorya

Ronnie Saguit: By the is there a limit sa number of participants diri sa conferncing?

'hazel mendez': mmm...ambot lang pod kuya

loidz *: no idea ko

Ronnie Saguit: I think wala ra I am thinking nga mao na ang cause nga dili makasulod si nora

'hazel mendez': nadisconnect jud sya Kuya...

Ronnie Saguit: pero ganina ra man to siya wala kasulod iya gyud siguro connection

Ronnie Saguit: ok lets go back to counting the cost

aichen go: k kuy

Ronnie Saguit: Luk 14:31 "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?

what do you mean by this?Luk 14:32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.

Ronnie Saguit: who represents these two kings?

Ronnie Saguit: hello,

Zwenie Aso: hello din

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

loidz *: time pa kuya thinking2....hehehe...ourselves and the adversary???

aichen go: ourself and will? toinks

'hazel mendez': hehehe..cannot think...

Ronnie Saguit: good guesses

Zwenie Aso: i dont rightly know but if going by the kings pattern of thinking i think that he is trying to consider which would be a win-win situation for him...and if so...there are 2-ways in winning a war..not only by force but also by the might of diplomacy

Zwenie Aso: and if that is so

Ronnie Saguit: is there a connection to the next verse Luk 14:33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Zwenie Aso: if we go by the kings pattern of thinking we can follow Christ in a lot of ways but we must be sure that the road we will be taking would be leading us to victory

Zwenie Aso: and in that road we must be sure that we will not waver at all

Ronnie Saguit: good line of thinking zwen?

Ronnie Saguit: but I think the next verse is connected because he said "In the same way.."

'hazel mendez': in addition...ehheh...tig-add... using diplomacy is surrendering one's pride as the more powerful than the enemny

loidz *: so who are the 2 kings then?

'hazel mendez': mao nay akong gikalibgan...hehehe

loidz *: please identify....hehehe

'hazel mendez': the other king represents the cost we have to face

'hazel mendez': the other one is the would-be christian

Ronnie Saguit: hehehehe its getting clearer

Ronnie Saguit: do you see the connection with the next verse?

Zwenie Aso: in the same way..i think sad kana can be considered sa whatever the decision the king will make..he should put his all to it.....meaning he should stand by his decision...meaning in a sense he should not be a balimbing who can be swayed

Ronnie Saguit: Jesus said "in the same way."

'hazel mendez': i guess he meant surrendering everything

Zwenie Aso: therefore..as christians we know that there is victory in Christ we know that that is the road we should take

'hazel mendez': a king is proud.....giving everthing up and doing the right thing is difficult for him

Zwenie Aso: so as one of the decisions that the king will make..he should be deciding which is the victorious road

'hazel mendez': unless you do so in the same way, you cannot be christ disciple

Zwenie Aso: and by that he should therefore decide to follow Christ as he knows it will be the winner in the end...he should not be swayed

Zwenie Aso: when he does so.

Ronnie Saguit: Can you not imagine that the other King is Christ and the other is us?

'hazel mendez': mmm..now that you mentioned it... yah

Ronnie Saguit: but who is the greater king and who is the weaker one?

'hazel mendez': the greater king is the one with the 2ot

'hazel mendez': 20T

loidz *: of course Christ is greater than us,hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: buy are Kings?

Ronnie Saguit: are we Kings?

Zwenie Aso: Christ is the greater king....so put that way...surrendering to him would be the best....

Zwenie Aso: we are trying to be kings of our lives as we daily exhibit it

Ronnie Saguit: Zwen you are smart

'hazel mendez':

aichen go:

aichen go: hai!

loidz *: apil pod ko clap10x

Ronnie Saguit: sigi lang ang uban globe

'hazel mendez': suncell ra ko

aichen go: faeta ani heheh

'hazel mendez': ehehee

Ronnie Saguit: So all of us are kings

aichen go: kay unlimited call permi dba t haze

Ronnie Saguit: we try to do what we want

Zwenie Aso: that is why there is a constant struggle as we think that perhaps we can win one decision over another...

Ronnie Saguit: but when we meet Jesus....

Ronnie Saguit: another King with great power

'hazel mendez': the greatest jud

Zwenie Aso:

Ronnie Saguit: olga is online

'hazel mendez': welcome

loidz *: nawala man dayun

aichen go: na patay heheh

'hazel mendez': toink..ehehe

Zwenie Aso: saunz

aichen go: ate ako tawgan???

olga allawan has joined the conference.

loidz *: ah ok

Ronnie Saguit: naa na olga welcome

olga allawan: halo peps wazz up

olga allawan: unsa man ang topic..?

Zwenie Aso: maaung pag abot

Zwenie Aso: sa tapok tapok sa kanasuran

loidz *: welcome, my dear sistah...hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: ako i butang sa imong window

'hazel mendez': hehehehe

olga allawan: saon igang kaay nganhi ako himutangan uyy wala andarang fan ever

aichen go: ol ol andi welcome

olga allawan: unsa man mo oras nag strt?

olga allawan: late nako?

loidz *: around 8:30pm...ok ra

aichen go: dpa kaayo, but mura

Ronnie Saguit: ok we are discussing Luke 14:25 up to the lasr verse

olga allawan: ok

Ronnie Saguit: please read it first olga

olga allawan: wala man ko Bibliya ngnhi....

Ronnie Saguit: online lang

olga allawan: naa ko pikas nga room.....

Ronnie Saguit: can anyone give a link to olga

Ronnie Saguit: link to a bible

loidz *: www.crosswalk.com

loidz *: or www.biblegateway.com

Ronnie Saguit: ok na ka mis ola of Thailand?

Ronnie Saguit: verse 25 lang up to the end

Ronnie Saguit: So we are discussing the two kings

olga allawan: monaug sa ko maikog ko sa tag iya sa laptop....mag online ko sa silong....sa ako laptop

olga allawan: wait a minute...

olga allawan: tnks

aichen go: asa man diay ka day!!

olga allawan: somewhre...

olga allawan has left the conference.

Ronnie Saguit: we will wait for olga kadali.

Ronnie Saguit: kaon kaon sa mo

loidz *: kuya ako diay invite c guilbert borongan

Ronnie Saguit: naa na olga?

Ronnie Saguit: online ba siya?

loidz *: cge man na sya on line basin availble sya ds time

loidz *: karon wala

loidz *: pero permi nako sya mabntayan on line

Ronnie Saguit: unsa iya ID?

loidz *: guilberto_italian2000

loidz *: naglibog ko why italian iya use na russian man iya wife,hahha

Ronnie Saguit: aron dili halata nga pinoy siya

loidz *:

'hazel mendez':

loidz *: hay asa na man to c olgacious oi

Ronnie Saguit: ako lang giingnan nga buzz lang siya

Ronnie Saguit: Lets go back to the kings?

loidz *: ok

Ronnie Saguit: In what ways do we assert our kingship?

Zwenie Aso: balik ta sa kings...i would be the first to raise my hand that i struggle with the Lord's kingshio over my life

Zwenie Aso: everyday...

'hazel mendez': me too...me too...

loidz *: kinsay exempted ani?hehehe

aichen go: well

Ronnie Saguit: what do you mean with struggling with Jesus Kingship?

Ronnie Saguit: you mean in surrendering to His Kingship?

Ronnie Saguit: at what stage are we as we considere the strong King?

Ronnie Saguit: I thnk all of us know that there is aonher king who is stronger than us right?

aichen go: yes

Ronnie Saguit: do we avoid confrontation with this King?

Ronnie Saguit: likay likay lang sa?

loidz *: hmmm

Ronnie Saguit: or have we considered surrendering?

Ronnie Saguit: if we are avoiding until when do we think we can avoid?

Ronnie Saguit: so where is the struggle?

loidz *: we want to be king with ourselves rather than Jesus, finding it hard to surrender to Him...but find it easier to follow the king who is stronger than us...but knowing He's the greatest King...so,we should strive to surrender to Him

loidz *: mao na ang struggle...we knw what is right but we cant do,hehehe

Zwenie Aso: sa ako na case i think i usually engage sa confrontation that's why grabe ang struggle k i have the tendency pull against , or go against the grain ...especially if it is a struggle in my thought life....that's why i usually go thru a very hard uprooting which also usually leaves me drained in the end...

Ronnie Saguit: Is it possible that we struggle because we do not know who this Stronger King is?

Zwenie Aso: in the end makita that Christ was the greater king than me..but in a way i went thru hell because i went against the flow

Zwenie Aso: in the end i usually give in, still the process was draining

Ronnie Saguit: Why cant we just surrender?

'hazel mendez': sometimes pod i take for granted nga naa ra si Lord ...i forget nga being His disciple is no walk in the park...

'hazel mendez': surrendering is relative..sometimes we will make excuses sa atong mga actions...

Ronnie Saguit: or is this what he mean by "any of you who does not give up everything"

'hazel mendez': mao bitaw no... why do we hem and haw, when we are in a crossroad?...kun naa ta sa situation nga we need to chose.. when we know that there is a need to surrender

Ronnie Saguit: yeah this are hard questions for us. and this should be settled before we can expect God to work in our lives

loidz *: kanta usa ko...I surender All 2X...All to thee my blessed Saviour I surrender All...sayun ra ayu ug kanta....hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: here what he says in Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Ronnie Saguit: the more we hold on and not surrender the more that we are lossing the things that we like "LIFE". abundant life here on earth at it is in heaven.

Zwenie Aso: it is the same bait that satan dangled over eve in the garden of eden the capabality to know good and evil, as it is today the fruit that our first parents ate gave us the idea that "we" know better when we actually dont..which leads to us making the decision to surrender difficult

Ronnie Saguit: what are we affraid of if we surrender?

'hazel mendez': i think it's not just a matter of being afraid, but a matter of taking the more difficult path

loidz *: sometimes losing our comfort

loidz *: and giving up some desires

Zwenie Aso: a taste of an abundant life in Christ is what we actually need, it is within our grasp but because we cannot let go of what we think is what is for us we cannot get it

aichen go: mao

Ronnie Saguit: Why does God do not want his children to be comfortable?

Ronnie Saguit: does God do not want to grant His childrens' desire?

Ronnie Saguit: mga igsoon you almost there.

loidz *: many reasons...character development, to depend completely to Him,to demonstrate His power in our lives,etc...

'hazel mendez': to purify us...

'hazel mendez': i think

loidz *: not all what we desire is necessary...God will only give us what we need

Zwenie Aso: because this is not our home and if we become too comfortable here we might miss out on the wondrous place God has prepared for us

loidz *: coz some of our desires are not good for us

loidz *: we only think it's good but only God see the whole picture

Ronnie Saguit: shall we say that we can not really trust that God is good.

'hazel mendez': no... we know that God is good

Zwenie Aso: knowing and trusting is different

Zwenie Aso: heeheh

Zwenie Aso: there is that possibility kuya ron...

'hazel mendez': God is good, all the time

aichen go: Amen and all the time God is good.

loidz *: We know that He is good that's why if He won't give everything we desire, we believe it's the best for us

Ronnie Saguit: Then can we trust God for that. that what he is doing is best for us?

loidz *: absolutely!

Ronnie Saguit: Mga igsoon ko that is faith

Ronnie Saguit: and surrendering is simply that

loidz *: amen...hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: Simply trusting that this King is good

Ronnie Saguit: so when I think that this King is good, surrendering to Him is easy

'hazel mendez': amen

aichen go: i agree

Ronnie Saguit: so the person who trust God that He is good this is what he does Mat 13:44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

Ronnie Saguit: and here is another one Mat 13:45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls.

Mat 13:46 When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.

loidz *: very concrete illustration...

Ronnie Saguit: So Jesus and His Kingdom is worth everything

Zwenie Aso:

aichen go:

'hazel mendez': hai

Ronnie Saguit: more than your profession

loidz *: contemplating

Ronnie Saguit: morethan your own desires

Ronnie Saguit: more than your little kingdom

Ronnie Saguit: moer than our lives

Ronnie Saguit: more than our love ones

danie macion: No, thank you.

Yahoo! Messenger: danie macion has declined to join.

'hazel mendez': oh

loidz *: hahaha

Zwenie Aso:

Ronnie Saguit: di siya gusto mag surrender heheheheheh

aichen go: char!

Zwenie Aso: timinga jud oi

Zwenie Aso: hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: wala kuno siya kasugod ug wala siya kabalo sa topic

Ronnie Saguit: next time na lang

'hazel mendez': ehehhee

Ronnie Saguit: going back

Ronnie Saguit: asana ta adto?

Ronnie Saguit: homily naman diay to

'hazel mendez': hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: yes mga igsoon Jesus and His Kingdom is worth everything

aichen go: correk

Ronnie Saguit: question Lugi ba ta?

Ronnie Saguit: Is it worth our all?

loidz *: yes

loidz *: dako kaayu ta ug ganansya kon ma realize ang business....of surrendering...hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: kung sa sugal pa, taya na tanan. Todo Na Kasado na.

Zwenie Aso:

loidz *: shoot gyud diay tanan gibali na gud ang bulsa,hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: you know mga igsoon ko many of the professing Christian masango dinhi

Ronnie Saguit: This is what we mean we say say accepting Jesus not only as Savior but also LORD

loidz *: magseminar ta ug Lordship para madukol atong mga ulo,hehhe

Ronnie Saguit: let us look at the different persons who hear about the gospel (Jesus)

Ronnie Saguit: Mat 13:3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed.

Mat 13:4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.

Mat 13:5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.

Mat 13:6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.

Mat 13:7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants.

Mat 13:8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop--a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

Mat 13:9 He who has ears, let him hear."

Ronnie Saguit: and Jesus later interpret this parable

Ronnie Saguit: Mat 13:18 "Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:

Mat 13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

Mat 13:20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.

Mat 13:21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.

Mat 13:22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

Mat 13:23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is

'hazel mendez': amen jud

Ronnie Saguit: the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."

Ronnie Saguit: If someone does not consider the surrender part, the Lordship of Chris, he could stay longt

Ronnie Saguit: tulog na mo hehehehe

aichen go: hapit na kuya hehe

Zwenie Aso: buhi pa

Zwenie Aso: hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: ok here the last verse of our study then we pray

Ronnie Saguit: Luk 14:34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?

Luk 14:35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

loidz *: nag hinuktok,hehehe

Ronnie Saguit: Surender is the way to be frutiful and useful in the Kingdom of god

Ronnie Saguit: lets pray na na?

loidz *: ok

Ronnie Saguit: Lord Jesus how foolish we are we do not surrender to a King like you.

Ronnie Saguit: we will continue to waste our lives if we dont surrender. we will get tire of fighting a fight which we know we can not win

Ronnie Saguit: thank you for giving us courage to trust you.

Ronnie Saguit: any one can add to our prayer

aichen go: and thank you Lord for our indentity in you

loidz *: help us Lord to fully understand your Lordship

aichen go: may we continue to keep in step with your word each and every step of our way

Ronnie Saguit: yes Lord

Ronnie Saguit: amen.

Zwenie Aso: amen

Ronnie Saguit: ok babye na sa tanan till next monday

aichen go: amen

loidz *: amen

Zwenie Aso: night night every1

loidz *: thnk you kuya

loidz *: goodnyt to all

Ronnie Saguit: thnak everyone

aichen go: nyt nty sad 2 all

aichen go: mag awarding padaw

aichen go:

Zwenie Aso:

Ronnie Saguit: sa unsa chen

loidz *: tingbon ra sa end of semister,hahaha

Ronnie Saguit: hehehehe hala tulog na mo kay work pa ugma

loidz *: ok

aichen go: heheh joke ra kuya mag awarding s mga answers

aichen go has left the conference.

'hazel mendez': nyt2

Zwenie Aso has left the conference.

loidz * has left the conference.

'hazel mendez' has left the conference.

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